Wed
Feb 3 2010
08:44 pm
By: UtilityBill
Anyone else read the story on the Convenant Health in RCN about having a smoke FREE enviorment at the Harriman location , I ask did they not just spend $20,000 to build a smoking shed on the Roane ST side of the ER? Why is there lack of sight in this community? Mind you it was still RMC at the time but still, if you want to build one at a cost of $20,000 why put it on the Roane St side where everyone will have to see it , Its an eyesore really.
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That's it, Bill...
It was RMC at the time, it is no longer RMC, and is now owned and operated by Covenant.
What they did in the past is a bell that can't be un-rung. Covenant is part of the group of hospitals - which included all hospitals in the greater Knoxville area - that just last week announced thay are becoming smoke free campuses o all their facilities - either downtown or extended satellite facilities. Employees have till Jan 2011 to become non-users of tobacco. Actually, they are becoming tobacco free, not just smoke free.
Whether they follow through and ban tobacco use in what are now patient/family smoking areas remains to be seen. But employees, visitors, and vendors will be held to the policy of refraining from tobacco use in the buildings or on the grounds. Including parking areas. If it's part of their campus, tobacco use will be banned.
$20,000 is a drop in the bucket. They'll spend way more than that on the tobacco cessation classes, counseling, and products they will make available to their employees.
The $20K was spent years ago. That was then. This is now. Get over it.
It has nothing to do with sight in this community. It has to do with the perceived differences in taking care of needs of then versus now. Every hospital in all the concerned hospital systems had spent money on smoking convenience facilities for either employees or patients or both in the past. None of them are doing it any longer. They are going the oposite direction. They're all in the same boat, and RMC is no exception. It is not indicative of any particular ignorance or anything else at RMC as opposed to the other hospitals. It is simply the changing times. As the Raven said: "Only this, and nothing more." As I said, the then RMC did nothing more or less than the other hospitals in the region have done.
It's a non-issue.
RB
Hey Booster
That smoke house is still on the front side of the Roane ST. It was not years ago Booster just last year it was completed and you argued for it at the time YOU losing your mind BIG GUY and dont remember that?
Its a lack of planning and poor leadership who even authorized a smokehouse on the FRONT of a hospital in the first place RMC or convenant it dont matter its still on Roane ST. in our city.That $20k could have been spent on a sidewalk that was to be put along Emory DR. And could have saved a life > So you get over it BOOOSTER>
So what? What is your point?
You don't like the management decision to do it. It's not the same management any more. WHat I did when it was done - whether months or years ago - was to give the reasons that I was given to "justify" it.
I AM over it. I didn't start a thread on RoaneViews going on about water that's already over the dam.
RB
Booster
if you supported it last year when it was built, and now you dont what the heck is that sayin bout you, I hope when other decisions come up about spending our oney dealing with the city you will support it at the time and then later down the road you want they got naes for people like you FLIP-FLOP, and BTW you complain bout water over the bridge if you were getting wet.
Supporting it and explaining reasons why they did it...
... are two different things. I'm not in favor of smoking in such a facility period. I did take the time to explain reasons that were given as to why they did it.
Complaining about it now has no purpose whatever. $20K is a drop in the bucket and means virtually nothing in and of itself. Do you seriously think there's a way to unring that bell?
Precisely what about that water over the dam gets you wet?
There's no flip-flop, but if there was a flip-flop I'd have to remind you that only idiots are inflexible and refuse to change their minds. It doesn't take much of a mind to claim "I never change my mind."
RB
Stedfast Booster
Stand your ground dont go with the flow soetimes proves advantageous.
$20K may be a drop in YOUR bucket not mine or anyone else i know.
I was taught little drops fills big barrels.
IDIOTS: I would never change my mind just cause the public goes along with something or the majority thinks its prudent thing to do.. Stick with whats right not popular!
Will employees be able to
Will employees be able to sit in their car and smoke? While I agree with having respect for non-smokers, this whole thing has gone wild. Are they going to forbid employees to not drink alcohol at any time. Certainly I agree with them not drinking while on the job, or being under the influence while working, but what about their time off. Eventually this will happen. Chip, chip, chip...the great "THEY" know what is better for everyone and will control every aspect of one's life.
They have not forbidden tobacco use OR drinking...
... off the job. Nor do they have any intention of doing so. The assumption that "they" (hospitals) will attempt to regulate the private, off-duty lives of their employees is invalid logic (post hoc ergo propter hoc - see Wikipedia at (link...) )
The "they" in this case is no mystery. It is the administrations of all the involved hospitals, which is a large percentage of all in the greater Knoxville area. They made very public press releases of their intent and their policies. It is not only against smoking but tobacco use in general. They have the ability legally, and will exercise it, to regulate employee behavior on any and all of their property. That includes parking areas. Just as they choose to prohibit drinking alcohol, exchange of prescription drugs, or sexual intimidation in cars on their parking lots, they can prohibit other behavior by employees as well.
"They" are not engaging in anything other than what they feel to be in the best interest of the health of their employees anda patients. Like it or not, they are legal in doing so. And they have acted in a fair manner in implementing it. "They" are not engaging in some great conspiracy against the poor and down-trodden masses of humanity. They gave sound reasons for their actions, and took actions that are within the bounds of what employers can require of employees. They've started the ocmmunication process now - the bans don't go into effect until Jan 2011. And they will provide all kinds of assistance for those who choose to ask for help to stop tobacco use.
RB
I can't believe
I can't believe they spent $20,000 on that little shack. I mean, have you seen it? Somebody made some bucks off of that little project.
Uh ya
if you were on this board back when they were building it, it was a big deal, and eye sore then and an eyesore now!!!!!Maybe the building inspector or codes enforcement officers might jump on this, no permit could be found for this project? Why?
I agree with Rick and Bill...
... that it was and is ugly... and to my own taste and opinion a waste of money. But $20K isn't going to make or break any hospital, and they did have reasons that they gave for doing it. They had the right to do it. Just like they have the right to say their employees can behave - or cannot behave - in certain ways while on their premises.
RB
Pat Hughes Kerschieter Class
Pat Hughes Kerschieter
Class of 1966
I know that patients and visitors in the Knoxville area will still be able to smoke at the hospitals. It is only the employees who are banned. Chattanooga took it a step further and will not hire anyone who uses tobacco products, i.e., cigarettes, snuff, chewing tobacco, at least the Knoxville hospitals are still going to hire these people, just not let them use tobacco on premises. Chattanooga is giving them a "drug" test before they are hired to make sure that they use no tobacco. I can't see how they can prevent you from smoking in your car, as this is your private property. IF you keep the windows rolled up. Even the police can't search your car if they stop you without a warrent, I think that them saying you can't smoke in your car is taking waaaay too far! As for the little $20,000 bldg, patients and visitors can still use it. I would assume.
No smoking
on the property is what paper stated. At some of Covenant locations Harriman soon to follow.
That's right, Pat...
"I know that patients and visitors in the Knoxville area will still be able to smoke at the hospitals."
... for the time being. It may not be that way in the long term, though. I'm not saying it WILL change and extend to all visitors and patients, but it is under active consideration for some undetermined time in the future. They're taking a wait and see approach while they implement what they've announced last week.
Not all of Chattanooga hospitals are the way you describe - Memorial made the news a few weeks ago saying they were not hiring anybody that used tobacco/smoked, and they were going to work through a program to try to get current employees to quit.
Your car, while on their property, is subject to the rules of the property owner.
I think you're probably right, too, about the visitors (i.e. visitors to patients) and patients at the Roane smoking hut.
RB
The reality is that our
The reality is that our society has finally realized that non-smokers have a right not to be forced to breath the second hand smoke of others. In my opinion it is about time. Why should the proclaimed rights of smokers trump the rights of non-smokers. Contrary to what some people think, smoking is a privileged and not a right. The health of the majority, non-smokers, should not be jeopardized by second hand smoke because a few think they should be allowed to smoke anywhere they want.
I agree that what you do on you own property or in your car should be your business.
I also agree that maybe money was wasted on building the smoking area at the hospital no matter when it was, or what it cost. But that is water over the dam. It's time to take a step in the right direction and stopping smoking near the hospital is a good one. It is a sign of the times. Apparently that decision has been made and it's time to quit crying about it.
The hospitals are not the first to implement rules on smoking. The State of Tennessee offices now do not allow smoking within 50 feet of the doors going into the buildings. Also state workers will be required to pay higher premiums for their insurance if they choose to smoke. The state is providing assistance in many different ways to help those who choose to quit and giving them a year or more to do so before the higher premiums go into effect. I agree with this requirement. It is only fair that smokers, who are more prone to have more cancers, heart disease and other ailments, that ultimately costs more to treat, be required to pay more to help offset those additional costs.
We will see this more and more as time goes by and in my opinion it is good that we are finally starting to realize what a dangerous habit smoking really is.
Makes sense, CC
The idea that one can be in the vicinity of where smoking is happening and not be affected by it is kinda like asking if I can piss in your swimming pool if I only do it in the corner where I am standing.
It took guts to say what you said.
RB