Sat
Jun 6 2009
10:51 pm
By: nomorelifeonswanpond
There has been a shooting on Quarry Road. Police are on the scene along with EMS. TBI also on scene.
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shooting on Quarry Rd.
We live on the corner of Quarry Rd. and Steven Lane--our roads are blocked by the police. Two ambulances departed (with lights flashing)very soon after arriving--there were a total of 13 police cars at one time. A neighbor who is a police officer was in his backyard working at the time of the event, and witnessed (at a distance) what happened. He stopped at the corner of the street in front of our house and called it in, asking for EMTs, then raced down there. One neighbor reported there was a death--no confirmation on that. Another said it must be "old David, who's always shooting his gun off at all hours." No verification on this. Channels 8 and 10 are on scene, waiting to interview the sheriff.
Peggy Blanchard
Swan Pond resident
No death - not yet
Shot individual left on Lifestar alive with multiple wounds various parts of the body.
RB
Thanks for the citizen
Thanks for the citizen reporting. Please keep us informed.
David Dickey passed away
David Dickey passed away after midnight last night. He had multiple gunshot wounds from police. Any one know any more? No one seems to even know why the cops were there.
More
(link...)
quarry road / David Dickey
Doesanyone know anything about what happened?
The few answers raise more questions
(link...)
WC
Be patient. You have 2 posters on here that can answer any question anybody might have.
What "few answers" do you
What "few answers" do you mean? The article you linked detailed the events fairly well even if the small part you quoted did not. Granted the story doesn't contain a complete recap of everything that went on but the routine TBI/DA's office investigation is still ongoing so more details will come out in time. People should not assume simply because the deputy has been placed on leave that in any way indicates the officer did anything wrong. It is required of every officer involved shooting to place the officer on leave pending the investigation.
Not that it really matters,
Not that it really matters, but it's kind of odd that Mr. Dickey's father was involved in a shooting years ago that I think left a brother-in-law dead. It's been a long time, but I believe this happened within a few miles of this weekend's tragic event. I was just a kid then, but I remember that it scared the ???? out of me, as I lived pretty close to the Dickeys. I don't think Mr. Dickey (senior) was ever convicted of anything, and later as I got to know him, he turned out to be a pretty good guy. It's too bad about this whole situation.
It is an interesting story
It is an interesting story about Mr. Dickey but you are right, it does not matter. I knew Mr. Dickey (senior) but did not know the details of the shooting that happened years ago. I never asked about it and he never told me. From what I knew about Mr. Dickey he was a good man.
I also knew Dave Dickey very well. I considered him a good friend. He was an honest, quiet man. I never heard him raise his voice to anyone. It bothers me a lot that he is dead. I have not yet learned the details of him getting shot. The truth may never come out. Unless there is positive proof that justified Dave being shot, there are a lot of people in this county that are going to be mad as he££ about it.
dickey family
I know the family well and they are good people who lived in Swan Pond for generations.
I am so sad that this has happened and when I heard the shots, I knew they we're intentional.
God please Bless the Dickey family and I am sure Deputy Hensley will have difficulty as well.
Very sad.
SM
Concerned Citizen you are
Concerned Citizen you are right. He was a very honest man. He would do anything in the world for you if he liked you. If he didn't like you, he just didn't speak to you. When he said he was shooting the deer out of his garden, he really was. It is completely legal to shoot animals out of your garden if they are a problem. The Dickey family was there way before any of the subdivisions were. It makes perfect sense that he would be shooting at dusk because that is when the deer feed.
Here is a link to the
Here is a link to the article in the Knoxville News Sentinnel.
(link...)
I'm so sorry for all of you
I'm so sorry for all of you in that area. As if you haven't had enough to deal with. You and the Dickey family are in my prayers.
Shooting on Quarry Road
What's next, a shootout at the 4th of July fireworks on the river. Let's hire more cops and raise TAXES! You can drive from Kingston to Florida and see more cops in Roane County than you will see all the way to Florida. What's the deal. Another thing who shoots more people in Roane County the criminals or the cops?
Don't start...
... an anti-cop diatribe here.
RB
Anti-Cop Diatribe? Not sure But...
One has to question what the heck happened at this property. For the record I for one don't have much confidence in TBI's ability to get to the bottom of it considering some of their most recent cases, aka Scott County Meth Lab Shooting, Houston Brothers, etc. I thought it was somewhat coincidental that a nearby resident cop called the sheriff dept and then as the KNS reported witnessed the shooting from his back yard while working in the yard. Also, the reports in the KNS stated that the victims brother lived next door and spoke to the victim on the phone but was shot somethinbg like 8 times before he could get next door to witness the situation. Correct me if I'm wrong by all means, but that's two hairy circumstances that jump out at me. Also, since when is it illegal for someone to shoot a gun on private property in the county? Why did the Stockton Brigade dispatch a deputy with so little experience to a scene with shots fired and an armed citizen. Why 8 shots if that is indeed the correct number? Granted the police have a tough job but you just can't go around shooting people in their freakin yards for crying out loud. What the heck is wrong with this county? Its like this place is cursed or something.
If your perspective is that anything the cops do is wrong...
... there's little facts can do, because you're going to make the facts fit what you believe.
However: None of us were there. Therefore it behooves us to go on what information we can know and what evidence we can glean rather than jump to conclusions.
Here's a fact: The Sheriff's Department doesn't have enough men to take an age and experience poll when someone is dispatched to a "shots fired" call. That's why the nearest car is the first one to roll on the call. And that's precisely the way it should be. When a call like that comes in, nobody knows that it's somebody shooting at deer in his tater patch.
Nobody that I recall said it was illegal to shoot a gun in the county. But when you hear multiple shots and you don't know what it's for, it is prudent to go check it out. If you were in a situation and were having to defend yourself with a firearm or were under attack by someone shooting at you, would you be satisfied with a sheriff's department who got a call about shots fired and they just decided, "What the hell... it's not illegal to shoot a gun in the county. We'll just respond later if somebody calls and tells us someone is shot."? I wouldn't be.
Unless I'm mistaken, you don't know nearly enough as fact to simply dismiss it as if the sherif's department was going "around shooting people in their freakin yards."
Yes, they have a hard job to do. And what starts out as a routine situation that is not much cause for alarm can go totally wrong in a matter of seconds. Such as the length of time it takes for a person to pullout a handgun and point it at an officer. There is no nobility in an officer holding fire in such a situation until he sees the muzzle flash from the gun pointed at him. It's too late by then.
While none of us have all the facts, it does nothing positive to go about slinging phrases that imply that the cops were/are just going around shooting people in their freakin yards.
Monday-morning quarterbacking with only a smattering of facts is easy.
RB
Facts
The one big fact that we have is that a man is dead, dying on his own property. I heard from others that were listening to the police scanner that night, who said the police that did the shooting, was very upset when he called the shooting in (or which every police called it in).
The fact is that this is a tragedy, but also one that we shouldn't have to keep repeating.
Here's where we need to boost more love, compassion for our neighbors, love of life, and respect for all.
Can't argue with ya there, LOC
It is INDEED a tragedy. A very sad situation all the way around. Com passion would be a good thing. I don't believe we have to repeat it. And it isn't a repeat, for now. Let's hope it stays that way.
RB
shooting
I live a short distance up the road from the Dickey residence--and two houses down from the detective's home. My understanding is that the detective heard and saw shots fired (you could see the Dickey property from his yard, our backyards are very open) and then called the dispatcher and asked for EMT's. Further I have been told that Mr. Dickey approached the deputy with a gun in hand and would not put it down, and made some remark that was threatening to the officer. I do not know this information except from a third-hand account, so cannot vouch for it.
Peggy Blanchard
Swan Pond resident
Peggy, that comports...
... with the information I have been able to gather, although I, like you, was not there on the scene. At this point I judge the information I have to be reliable.
It is nonetheless a terrible situation for all involved. Those situations can go from almost nothing to irretrievable in a couple of heartbeats.
RB
I am a friend of Mr.
I am a friend of Mr. Dickey's. I don't know how you can see shots fired from 500 yards or more away. The detective supposedly called in when Mr. Dickey was shooting at deer before dark. I know you can't see shots fired before dark.
I would bet ten million dollars on this fact if I had the money...If Mr. Dickey pulled a gun on him he would have been firing it! I promise on everything I am worth! Mr. Dickey would not have TOLD him he was going to shoot him. I have known him all my life. Maybe the deputy THOUGHT he saw a gun.
Still do not understand why the deputy unloaded his weapon. I have always been told cops were peace keepers. It would be up to a judge to decide if he was shooting illegally on his property. Give him a ticket and let the judge decide.
One thing that came out and the police were using in the Houston trial is that the Houston brothers didn't stop shooting when the officers went down. Now turn that same thing around here. If he really had a gun, why didn't they shoot him in the arm and take him to jail. Why did they shoot him until they killed him? Why shoot him so dang many times? He was shot many more times than the two that the news was reporting. I know!
Thanks for your thoughts on what happened,
I doubt that we will ever know the truth of what happen as dead men tell no tales. First unofficial report said there were multiple shots fired and the victum was not dead ----------yet. Now what does that tell you?
Also why did 13 LEO respond to the incident. Fishy? You damn right it is. Roane County thrives on showing our ignorance.
Lala,You'll forgive my
Lala,
You'll forgive my "ignorance" but I am confused by your questions. The first reports claimed the "victum" as you spelled it was not dead and then you say "yet". Did the report actually say "yet"? That would indeed seem odd but I can't find a story that says such a thing. If a news story does in fact say that then what do you think it does mean? Do we think the doctors who treated Mr. Dickey were somehow instructed to make sure he didn't live? Your implications are unclear.
Secondly, what is "fishy" about thirteen officers responding to a call where someone was shot? To me that seems reasonable. What is the proper number by your calculations? Have you ever worked an officer involved shooting?
You'll of course have to forgive my ignorance but I'm not sure I am the only one "showing" such.
I'll patiently await your clarifications to my apparent ignorance.
Yours,
Reasonable
Come on you can't be too ignorant if you caught my spelling
error. It appears you are a new poster but you sound like some others on this site . So please go to Page one and read the third posters report. I don 't know if this was official or not. But it came from a person who is most knowledgeable and worked in Law Enforcement.
I have a question for you. Does it take 13 officers to answer a call of gunshots? or could this be a repeat of the Houston where too many people contaminated a murder scene?
ALL my post meant was...
... at the time I made it, it was reported that there were multiple wounds. And that the person shot was not dead at that time. The YET only means what should be obvious - with multiple gunshot wounds, not dead now can always mean not dead yet... yet meaning at this time, but it's possible in the future.
Any problems with that, anybody?
RB
I am a new poster but have
I am a new poster but have been reading posts here for a while Lala and I apologize for coming off like a smarty pants for pointing out your spelling gaffe. I must admit I was a little irritated by the tone of your post as well as several others which is what motivated me to post in the first place. It seems you and others but certainly not all are quick to make assumptions with little or no evidence to support them. There seems to be a rush to judgment that the officer did something improper but there doesn't seem to be any logical reason for that conclusion. I'm not saying the officer was right or wrong because I wasn't there but given the information being released I don't see how anyone reaches the conclusion that this was something that law enforcement mishandled.
I do not know how many officers it takes to handle a call where a person has been shot. It is my understanding that the initial call of gunshots was only answered by one officer. Some have even made issue of that. The thirteen officers apparently come after a person is shot and officers are requesting medical attention and for a landing zone to be established. Maybe thirteen is the exact number needed or even too few. I will have to defer judgment in that area to the people who do that for a living. Do you work in the field? If so then forgive my ignorance as I do not. I'm also ignorant to the Houston situation and any contamination of a murder scene so I can't speak intelligently on that subject. Too bad that doesn't stop others from doing the same huh?
Lala and others...
I will tell you what I heard on the scanner when the incident occurred. The following is not a quote or word for word but is what I remember hearing once I started paying attention to what the scanner was saying.
-multiple shots fired...no one hit (it did not say "dead ---- yet"!)
-garbled sounds as if someone was out of breath and running or struggling
-man down...one shot...officer 10-4
-start EMS
-send units to setup an LZ (landing zone) for transport
All of the above transmissions had short periods of silence between them.
The call for units to setup the LZ could explain all the cars being there.
Dave was a friend of mine and I say the following for clarification of a question that is asked repeatedly, "Why were so many shots fired?":
I have been told that officers are trained to shoot until the thread is no longer present or the offender is on the ground. That only makes sense to me. If I were threatened I would not shoot once and wait to see if the other person with a gun was going to shoot back. I would shoot until I felt I was no longer threatened.
My biggest question is why did the officer shoot to begin with? I can think of no justification for shooting Dave Dickey. He was as polite and quite as anyone I have ever known. The officer must have misread some of Dave's actions as aggressive and felt he was in danger.
Dave would not have pulled a gun on the officer with the intent of harming him unless he felt threatened. He knew better than to do that. But, if he did, the officer would now be dead. Dave had been around guns all his life and he knew how to use them safely. Dave and his father did gunsmith work on the side and that may explain the large number of guns at his house.
I feel so sorry for Dave's brother Don and all his other family members. We all lost an asset to our community and I lost a dear friend when Dave was taken from us. I will always miss him.
I agree with your commment
I agree with your commment about the multiple shots.
A source from within the sheriff's dept. says that it was EIGHT shots. Why the overkill?
Hindsight is twenty/twenty but... What was a young, (very young) inexperienced officer (working IN the jail doesn't equate to "over the road" experience) doing patrolling all by himself on night shift?
Just because a person is big enough or old enough to carry a gun, drive a car, and wear a badge, doesn't mean they have the mental maturity to be "turned loose" by themselves.
With all the units that responded after the incident, you would think the Sheriff or the Administrative Assistant (Hah!) or the Shift Captain would have scheduled better than that so that a young trainee would have had a partner with him for backup.
Amen
Thanks for your post. Reasonable and his smart a**sed sarcasm (Spelling)
(L0L) sounds like a coupla others I know who post.
Questions
I read the KNS story here - (link...)
It states:
The Dickey brothers lived next door to each other. Don Dickey heard the shots his brother fired at the deer and called to ask if he had hit the animal. "He said the deer had took off running after the second shot."
Then, David Dickey said he could see a police car coming his way.
"I asked if he wanted me to come down, and he said, 'Yeah,' " Don Dickey said. "I figured there needed to be a witness to whatever was going to be said."
He said that as he left his house, around 10 p.m., he heard about eight rapid shots. When he reached his brother, he was on the ground, about eight feet from the front of his house, and was unresponsive.
1. Mr. Dickey knew a patrol officer was coming. Why would he go outside with a handgun to meet the officer?
2. Why would a law abiding citizen need a "witness" when confronting a uniformed officer? Discharging a firearm in the county is legal.
3. Friends of Mr. Dickey are quick to point out how much experience he had with guns. Why do they continue to point out that if he was intending to shoot, the officer wouldn't have had a chance? That doesn't sound like a quiet humble description to me.
Unfortunately there is only one witness. Maybe he had a camera and/or a microphone recording the event. It is a shame that someone was killed. At least 2 families will be severely affected by the event.
Here's my take on it...
When I read the KNS story, I wondered if he was already outside with either a cordless phone or his cell phone. The story read like the brother called him directly after hearing the shots of Mr. Dickey firing at the deer. If he was outside and his brother called him while he was outside then he would have already had the gun with him when he saw the officer coming.
I am a law abiding citizen, but in this day and age, I wouldn't mind having a neighbor/friend to come over and witness any event that involved a police officer pulling up in my driveway.
I guess it is in how one chooses to perceive things because when I read those posts I felt it meant that he was so experienced with handguns that if his intent was to shoot the officer that the officer wouldn't have had a chance, meaning there was no intent of that kind by Mr. Dickey or the officer would have been the one dead, not Mr. Dickey. Just because you're experienced with handguns doesn't mean you're not a quiet, humble person.
Best comment...
... on this topic I have read here to date, Mike.
RB
No
Best comment? I say no. Mike asked why anyone would need a witness to speak to the police. I would like always like a witness. A witness could help with both sides, even the police's.
And that, LOC...
... was not all of his reply.
RB
LISAinTN
LISAinTN responded appropriately to the rest of Mike's post. In my mind that dispelled it and dropped his post from being anywhere close to the best on this topic.
Unless you are talking about the cut-and-paste news article? That was nice.
I believe that what you may have like about it was his questioning style in which he overlooked fair balance of the grieved by instead boosting governmental establishment in the spirit of daring anyone to question said established authority.
I did like his concern for both families, however.
I have expressed concern for both families...
... but not well enough for your approval apparently.
RB
Thanks.
Thank you LOC. I was beginning to think my post was invisible. lol
Hmmm
I think I will test my posts verbally before I post them in the future. I didn't realize I was so biased.
Where did I overlook the “fair balance of the grieved”?
I asked:
1. Why was he armed when he met the deputy?
2. Why did he feel he needed a witness?
3. Why do his “friends” indicate that if he wanted to kill the deputy, the deputy would be dead?
The reason I find this puzzling is because I would not knowingly meet a responding officer armed. If I had a carry permit and was armed, I would tell him that first thing and disarm so the officer could relax.
It wouldn’t occur to me to use the term “witness” if someone offered to come over when I was about to be confronted by an officer. Maybe I am naive, but I still have a little trust in law enforcement.
My final question regarding the statements made by his “friends” is obviously “boosting the governmental establishment”. I interpret what they are saying as he was dangerous. I interpret it as he wouldn’t warn you before he shot you. My point is that these statements don't make him look like a friendly humble man.
The real point of my post which was obviously overlooked was about recordings. I think it is standard for officers to wear a microphone to record all interactions when responding to calls. I also thought they had cameras in their cars. Many questions might be answered if these devices were working.
None of this has anything to do with the grieved or the establshment, but let me try to make it more balanced.
1. Why did the officer approach Mr. Dickey’s private property?
2. Why was the deputy armed?
3. Why was such a young officer dispatched? Shouldn’t they send a more seasoned officer to a noise complaint?
4. Why didn’t the officer bring a witness?
Possible answers –
1. Someone called in a complaint about a firearm being discharges in a community and disturbing the peace or possibly endangering other residents.
2. I really don’t have a possible answer for this one. Maybe it is required due to his job.
3. Poor planning on the part of the governmental establishment.
4. Two possibilities – Either the other officers were busy and it is not SOP to dispatch 2 officers to a noise complaint – OR – the officer didn’t want any witnesses to his preplanned actions. I lean toward the first one, but I want to be fair and not boost the establishment.
I don’t know any of the families involved, so my concern is probably not as heartfelt as it would be if they were close friends. I am, however, pleased that you appreciated it.
Look, no cut and paste. Maybe next time I will try to post it in a silly poem format. As I get better at it, maybe I will start attacking the “governmental establishment” every chance I get.
I think I will test my
Easy now...
Let's dial this back a notch or two and try to keep it from being personal. If someone else steps over the line, flag it and state your reasons.
There is a lot left to come out on this sad incident. What I really want to hear is that the Sheriff is creating a group to look at proceedures and training in order to prevent such things in the future.
I will comply with your
I will comply with your wishes and I will not make further comments on this subject. I was just replying to inaccurate comments and innuendo about a man who can't be here to take up for himself.
I understand, CC. I mostly
I understand, CC. I mostly agree with you and my comment was meant for everybody.
That assumes it was
That assumes it was preventable. That may not be the case. What kind of group are you talking about? Who would make up the group?
Good solution for everything...
... form another committee made up of non-experts to pass judgement on matters about which they have no expertise or training and lots of bias. Monday-morning quarterbacking at its absolute finest. Yep. Sure way to get things "fixed". Management by non-expert committee has always had such a high level of proven success.
[snark off]
RB
Now RB, I didn't read the
Now RB, I didn't read the comment that way... "non-experts".
I was thinking that, if appointed, it would surely be a group of law enforcement officers to oversee the training and other matters.
I appreciate the difference you note, h, but...
... that already exists.
They have a Training Officer, a Chief Deputy, a Sheriff, all of whom are highly trined professionals, each successful in their own right. They have qualified supervisors. They have continuing education and inservices on a regular basis (some of which is going on this week because it was already scheduled). Their training addresses all sorts of subjects related to the policing process. Some I know of being covered recently include ethics, defensive driving, force escalation principles, and more.
Point being they already DO have professional, qualified oversight. Setting up a second group to oversee the overseers is not likely to do much but perhaps decrease morale. Who's going to oversee the oversight of the overseers? It goes on into a reductio ad absurdum situation.
At some point people have to realize that not all sad or bad things that happen are compatible with "the blame game." And that is what I sense being played out in a number of these posts. Not all bad outcomes are attributable to ineptness or corruption or anything else other than the "$h*t happens" rule. It's horribly sad, what happened on Quarry Rd. For all parties. But being horribly sad does not always mean there has to be someone to blame.
RB
Actually RB was sort of
Actually RB was sort of correct in what I would propose. Yes there are training officers, etc. etc. already on staff. But a young officer was sent to a shots fired call by himself. I question that and would like an outside view of that policy along with an outside examination of the role of our officers in the community. There's a reason for the distrust that manifests itself in events like this. While I wouldn't call for a non-expert per se, I would like to see some objective outside evaluation that would include non-LE members and even non Roane County members.
Officers answer calls by
Officers answer calls by themselves everyday. What would be the magic number of calls answered before you think he should be allowed to answer a call by himself? And you know as well as I do that if two officers had gone to this call there are those out there that would ask why so many officers are needed for one call and conclude that the extra show of force contributed to the tragedy. It never ends with second guessers which is why we never see any of those on here change their minds about incidents like this. Some people have a pre-conceived notion of law enforcement officers and are unwilling to see them any other way. This particular deputy had answered probably hundreds of calls already in his young career. None of which ended with anyone being shot. The actions of both parties have to be considered in this tragedy. How do we account for the many calls answered by this officer that ended peacefully?
The distrust as far as I can tell manifests itself in large part because people with no experience and/or training in law enforcement are quick to get on places like this and bash officer's actions without having all or sometimes any of the relevant facts.
There are non-law enforcement members and even non-Roane County members reviewing the events on Quarry Road. They are the TBI and DAG's office. How about we let them finish their investigation before we tar and feather law enforcement's actions.
Don't be so defense!i !
I haven't read a single post that is bashing LEO. Be specific name one.
I have read about people asking questions. which I think is perfectly normal. Give some details or specifics of distrust toward LEO
If you go to KNS and read those comments you might read a lot of posters
who are bashing Roane County in general
How about these posts from
How about these posts from THIS very thread (you might even recognize a couple of them):
While not every single comment made in these posts (which again are from this very thread) may be considered bashing there certainly is a pretty good share of anti-law enforcement sentiment in some of their comments. And I specifically said posts at "places like this". I wasn't saying only posts on this site were bashing. Anytime there is a police involved shooting there are "bashing" comments made all over the web.
Maybe you shouldn't be so defensive there Lala. Or at least give me your definition of bashing because apparently it is different than mine. :)
This was a "shots fired"
This was a "shots fired" call. I would think that would bring into question sending a solo officer.
Name me one place, WC
... where department policy that precludes one officer from responding.
Often "I would think" doesn't carry much information or weight. You might think that, but what you think may have no relation to reality.
Would you think that a solo officer should hold back and not respond to a shots fired call while waiting for another car to come from 15 minutes away? Would you want that to happen if YOU called the cops to come because YOU were worried that shots being fired near your property at night might hit YOU?
"I'm sorry Mr Creek. We have sent an officer who is in the Rockwood area, but since he is alone, he cannot respond to your call until an officer from east of Kingston meets him so that they can respond together. Sorry you have to be there whlie somebody's firing shots near you, but it's department policy. Bye now."
I can see the post in RoaneViews now the next day!
And, by the way, how much of the tax rate to you want to divert from schools or roads or ambulance service or environmental issues to add enogh ofoficers to ride two-to-a-car? Or how much of a tax increase are you willing to bear to pay for that? Talk to Sheriff Stockton. I'm sure he'd love to see you raise the money. Don't you think HE would feel safer about his oficcers if they could ride two in a car?
Bottom line: When you have a call that represents the possible danger to innocent bystanders that a "shots fired call" represents, you send the nearest officer and start backups on the way. Find me a law enforcement authority who says and practices otherwise.
RB
No assupmptions
ConcernedCitizen thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I wish you would have read it a little more closely though.
I did not make any assumptions other than he had a weapon in his possession when the officer arrived. Whether he came out of his house to meet the deputy or came out of his garden is not the part that I am questioning. I clarified that in the second post. I am interested in why he didn’t secure his weapon when he knew the police were on their way. I don’t pretend to know what happened. I haven’t claimed to know what happened. That is clear in the question “Why was he armed when he met the officer”?
The terminology IS important to me. It is an odd thing to say in my opinion. I am entitled to my opinion aren’t I? That is not twisting anything. Do we agree he used the term witness (based on the article)?
I did not realize I was quoting you “ConcernedCitizen”. There is a post on here submitted by “FH” and I saw some guy on television Monday morning say essentially the same thing. Maybe that was you on TV – I don’t know. Regardless those type comments are not flattering in my opinion. Again I am not stating FACT or making ASSUMPTIONS. I am giving my opinion.
I have not heard if the deputy was mic’ed or not. I am not assuming anything. I want to know. IF he was – what was said between the parties? IF he wasn’t – why?
As for the rest, I hold your opinions in about as much regard as you hold mine. I am glad we live in a free country where we are both allowed to express those opinions regardless of who appreciates it and who doesn’t. I am not and was not trying to “run down” anyone. Also, I don’t think you know me and it seems you are trying to run me down. Are you ashamed?
In my initial post, I was trying to ask about the actions of a man who was killed. Actions that seem alien to me. There was no accusations or assumptions (other then where he came from and if he had a gun). I was accused of being pro-establishment for not jumping on the bandwagon and blasting the deputy, so I tried to balance it in the second post.
I am not and have not gotten personnal except in the last 3 sentences of my 2nd post. And that was more sarcastic than personnal.
breaking the law
Those of you whom think that it is legal to shoot deer out of your garden on private property are wrong. Deer can be controlled from anything of monetary value that they may be destroying, but only after obtaining a damage permit from the county game warden. If Mr. Dickey was a life long hunter, he should have realized what he was doing was against the law. My prayers go out to both the family and the young officer in this unfortunate circumstance.
Mr Dickey was not shooting
Mr Dickey was not shooting AT the deer. He was, according to the report, shooting near them to scare them away.
Deer
Who said that he shot the deer? Did they find a dead deer? Or, did he just shoot at the deer? Is there a law against that? This would have scared the deer so it would stay out of the potatoes for the time being.
I was outside
when this happened and heard the shots. It sounded like machine gun fire I s**t you not.It really surprised me when I came in and turned the scanner on and heard that a police officer fired those shots. In my opinion this young officer went into panic mode.
Rumors and assumptions
One man has lost his life. Another man's life will be changed forever. I am sure there will be a thorough investigation. Then we can all know the facts. Just say a prayer for both families. That's what they need right now.
in response to the cop bashing on this site
first let me explain myself to everyone before i get labled as a "cop." whether or not i am is irrelevant, nor will i confirm or deny. i am someone who is trying to spread a little common sense. cops are humans too beneath their badge and gun. they have families and lives outside of the patrol car. if people on this site have no desire whatsoever to become one, that is fine and completely your decision. those that are officers chose to be cops. they understand the danger that is out there. no one forced them to pursue that career path. but what would you do without them? would mass anarchy reign? could you easily be a victim of a home invasion or worse? who do you call when you have an emergency? 911. and who comes when you call 911. crackheads? no. the police come. they come regardless of what you say about them. they swore an oath to protect you. but until you get in a car and respond to a "hot" call by yourself and have to make an on the spot decision that will alter either your life or anothers life, you are basically an armchair quaterback. it is very easy to question a decision days after an incident, especially if you are not involved or know all the facts. you can proclaim to the world what you would do, but until it's your posterior region on the line, you have no right to pass judgement on someone unless your are a judge, a jury or God himself.
this is something i found on the internet. please read....
Me, the Lousy Cop
Well Mr. Citizen, I guess you have figured me out. I seem to fit neatly into the category you place me in. I'm stereotyped, characterized, standardized, classified, grouped, and always typical. I'm the "lousy" cop.
Unfortunately, the reverse isn't true. I can never figure you out.
From birth you teach your children that I am a person to be wary of...and then you're shocked when they identify me with my traditional enemy, the criminal.
You accuse me of coddling juvenile criminals, until I catch your kid doing something.
You may take an hour for lunch and several coffee breaks each day, but point me out as a loafer if you see me having just one cup.
You pride yourself on your polished manners, but think nothing of interrupting my meals with your troubles.
You raise hell about the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I'm picking on you.
You know all the traffic laws, but never got one ticket you deserved.
You shout "Foul!" if you observe me driving fast enroute to an emergency call, but literally raise hell if I take more than ten seconds responding to your call.
You call it "part of my job" if someone strikes me. But its "police brutality" if I strike back.
You wouldn't think of telling your dentist how to pull a badly decayed tooth, or your doctor how to take out your appendix, but you are always willing to give me pointers on law enforcement.
You talk to me in a manner and use language that would assure a bloody nose from anyone else, but you expect me to stand there and take it without batting an eye.
You cry, "Something has to be done about all the crime!" but you can't be bothered with getting involved.
You've got no use for me at all, but, of course, it's OK if I change a tire for your wife, deliver your baby in the back seat of my patrol car on the way to the hospital, save your son's life with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, or work many hours overtime to find your lost daughter.
So, Dear Citizen, you stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my job, calling me every name in the book, but never stop a minute to think that your property, your family, or maybe your life might depend on one thing - me, or one of my buddies.
Yes, me, the lousy cop.
- Author unknown
ETC, I understand where you are coming from but...
That piece is a collection of emotional tidbits that have absolutely no bearing on this situation.
People inside and outside law enforcement have the duty to help mold it and keep it a public service organization. We have a tragedy. A man is dead. An officer's career may be over (not that I equate these two vastly unequal results). Asking about policy and proceedure that could have prevented this horrible occurance is not cop bashing, but simply our attempt to help mold a better community going forward.
Every question must be asked and every question must be answered. WE all need to learn what we can from this and try to keep it from reoccuring.
By the way...I have consistantly called for higher pay and better training for our officers, in addition to citizen oversight.
Better pay for policmen
WC writes: By the way...I have consistently called for higher pay and better training for our officers, in addition to citizen oversight.
First, WC is correct.
Why aren't cops paid as much as schoolteachers? When a teacher exercises bad judgment or isn't trained well, no one dies....
However, higher pay, better training, and citizen oversight will not alleviate all of our concerns about law enforcement.
Unlike schoolteachers, cops can't send naughty children to the principal’s office. Nor can cops suspend or expel lawbreakers.
We must remember than in most situations the police react to the actions of others often requiring split-second life or death decisions (the main argument for higher pay and training). In addition, many times the life in question is their own.
More pay, better training, and citizen oversight would go a long way to protect both cops and the public but it wouldn’t be a cure all - bad things would still happen.