Thu
Jan 1 2009
06:05 pm
By: WhitesCreek
"Although these results are preliminary, we want to release them because of the public health concern and because we believe the TVA and EPA aren't being candid," said Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., chair of the Waterkeeper Alliance.
The Raw Data are posted at the United Mountain Defense web site. They are not interpreting the data, merely posting the results, so consider this the call for experts to review and tell us what they see.
The full press release is in the first comment.
The links to the pdf's are here:
(Can't post the analysis pdf itself because it is larger than one meg. You'll have to go the the web site and click the link)
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The Statement from Appalachian Voices
For immediate release
January 1, 2009
Preliminary tests find
High levels of toxic chemicals
In Harriman TN fly ash deposits
Contacts:
Donna Lisenby, Appalachian Voices / Upper Watauga Riverkeeper, 828-262-1500
Dr. Shea Tuberty, Associate Professor of Biology, Appalachian State University, 828-262-6857
Dr. Carol Babyak, Associate Professor of Chemistry, Appalachian State University, 828-262-2756
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High levels of toxic heavy metals are present in samples taken from the Kingston Fossil Plant ash spill in Harriman, TN, independent testing shows. Preliminary testing was conducted on samples from the Emory River by scientists working in coordination with Appalachian Voices and the Waterkeeper Alliance's Upper Watauga Riverkeeper Program.
Concentrations of eight toxic chemicals range from twice to 300 times higher than drinking water limits, according to scientists with Appalachian State University who conducted the tests.
"Although these results are preliminary, we want to release them because of the public health concern and because we believe the TVA and EPA aren't being candid," said Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., chair of the Waterkeeper Alliance.
The tests were conducted this week at the Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry labs atAppalachian State University in Boone, NC, by Dr. Shea Tuberty, Associate Professor of Biology, and Dr. Carol Babyak, Assistant Professor of Chemistry. Tuberty and Babyak conducted tests for 17 different heavy metals in triplicate using standard EPA methods. The samples were collected on Saturday, December 27 by Watauga Riverkeeper
Donna Lisenby from three separate locations on the Emory River.
According to the tests, arsenic levels from the Kingston power plant intake canal tested at close to 300 times the allowable amounts in drinking water, while a sample from two miles downstream still revealed arsenic at approximately 30 times the allowed limits. Lead was present
at between twice to 21 times the legal drinking water limits, and thallium levels tested at three tofour times the allowable amounts.
All water samples were found to contain elevated levels of arsenic, barium, cadmium, chromium,lead, mercury, nickel and thallium. The samples were taken from the immediate area of the coal waste spill, in front of the Kingston Fossil plant intake canal just downstream from the spill site, and at a power line crossing two miles downstream from the spill.
"I have never seen levels of arsenic, lead and copper this high in natural waters," said Babyak.
A sediment sample was also taken from one of the ash piles at the coal spill site, and revealed even higher levels of heavy metals. Arsenic tested at 135 parts per million, while lead tested at 25 ppm.
Due to the porous topography in the Kingston and Harriman region, well and spring water contamination is one of the primary concerns for nearby populations. "The springs and the well water in that area need to be closely monitored to see if there is any movement of these arsenic
compounds and other heavy metals percolating down through the soil into these wells, because the [surface] levels are 300 times higher," said Tuberty. "That's a dangerous level." "The highest level of risk you can have with these heavy metals is actually ingesting them," Tuberty said. "Either drinking or eating them is really the only way it will become an issue, unless you are breathing them. That is coming into play with these ash piles, from drying and becoming picked up from the winds. You can actually breathe them in and that's the third way you can become exposted to them."
Recreation on Watts Bar Lake and nearby regions downstream from the site could be affected for some time to come, Tuberty said. Some heavy metals can accumulate in fish, making them unsafe for eating. Although simply touching the water will not necessarily be dangerous for people, failure to wash after contact or swallowing water while swimming could also pose risks.
According to Dr. Tuberty, while the toxicity levels of heavy metals in the water are cause for concern to humans, there is even more cause for concern regarding aquatic life's ability to survive and reproduce in waters with these levels.
"The ecosystems around Kingston and Harriman are going to be in trouble, the aquatic ones for some time, until nature is able to bury these compounds in the environment," said Tuberty. "I don't know how long that will take, maybe generations." Of particular concern are metals such as selenium and mercury, which bioaccumulate, or increase in concentrations in tissues of animals higher on the food chain. Birds and mammals
that ingest fish and invertebrates contaminated with these metals are at risk of health issues. The TVA has not released any water quality or solid soil sample results from the immediate spill site. The only results the utility has released to the public to date were from the Kingston water facility intake 6 miles down river from the spill site, and approximately half a mile upstream on the Tennessee River. According to Tuberty, with a sediment spill, downriver contamination can take place over time rather than immediately following a spill.
"There is a huge quantity of this ash still laying there and being picked up from the water," Tuberty said. "Every time you get a significant rainfall, you're going to be getting another pulse of this coming through...until [the ash] is removed from the water, and sequestered one way or another, it is going to be a continued input."
"TVA [and EPA] certainly knows what is in the ash," Tuberty continued. "[Testing is] part of their routine for solid waste disposal procedures. There is some data out there about how many tons of heavy metals are being released in a year's time, so they know those numbers."
"What you could do now is take what was lost to the river, multiply them back by the concentrations of those known compounds in the fly ash, and calculate a likelihood of what number of tons of these different heavy metals have been released in the water." "I think it's going to be a frightening number."
Dr. Shea Tuberty, an environmental toxicologist at Appalachian State University, earned hisdoctorate from Tulane University and spent four years conducting EPA post doctoral work at the University of West Florida.
Dr. Babyak, an environmental chemist at Appalachian State University, obtained her doctorate at West Virginia University and specilized her study on coal plant emissions.
Links in first blog wouldn't work for me...
Correction... it's the bottom link in the first post that won't work for me... could you check 'em out?
RB
try an alternative site to find the ASU metals data
Try the site at Appalachian Voices blog page to get the data table
(link...)
I would also add that we should have made a large disclaimer that the data produced at ASU was for total metal content in the water samples we collected there in the Emory River. It could be said that our values will be higher than the dissolved metal standards listed in the tables because we didn't filter out all the suspended solids in the water samples while in the field. But, we think it important to understand the actual presence of metals in these waters (dissolved, suspended, floating) before determining what fraction is able to move across cell membranes in the gills of fish and invertebrates (usually only the dissolved portion). After all these are preliminary results from just 3 sites.
Shea Tuberty
ASU Dept of Biology
Preliminary Tests
The ASU tests results look pretty sobering although not very shocking, just do the math from TVAs own numbers. I'm not a chemist but common sense tells you this stuff doesn't just go away on it's own.
This country did one hell of a job cleaning up after the industrial revolution, and then we promptly lost our collective minds and have decided to repeat this history again.
George Bush set the environmental tone for his administration 8 years ago and did his best to remove the teeth of the EPA and the FDA.
I am not saying he is directly responsible, but he and his party have set the agenda for the past eight years. The environmental record speaks for itself. Molly Ivins (God rest her soul) wrote a pretty good accounting of his record a few years ago starting in Texas. Unfortunately to many people never read it or didn't believe it was true.
You can probably guess that I was not one of the conservative Democrats that voted for W either time. This is small comfort.
We are approaching $600,000,000 spent in Iraq so far, not to mention the incalculable cost in human life. This is an obscene amount of money that should never have been spent; but if it was to be spent, what could we have done with it here at home?
Before someone goes there, just for the record I don't buy the "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" rational. If we were really worried as we should be about that, we would have put the money into Homeland Security. The have accomplished a pittance of what they were commissioned to do.
What type of results are
What type of results are showing up in the treated water? I am pretty sure nobody is drinking directly from the lake.
That, Chelsea...
... is a VERY important point! Having a lake that we shouldn't drink directly out of is nothing new around here. Or around most places, for that matter.
In short, the treated water is fine.
RB
That is my point also. These
That is my point also. These zealots are not interested in calming fears, just getting everybody in a frenzy of fear. Yes the treated water is fine!!
Actually, they are
Actually, they are interested in calming fears.
That's why they posted the sampling locations of their data. This is info that should have been released early on to show that as hot as the soup is, not very much of it is getting downstream. If anything, it's the national media like Bloomberg and CNN that have spouted the incorrect info that our water supply is "poisoned".
They repeatedly comment that
They repeatedly comment that the limits are above the drinking water limits, which is true of the raw water. They at no point explain that the treated water is well below the drinking water limits. I don't have a problem with providing the information, but clarify and explain the whole picture. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
You make a good point
We should reiterate that the levels detected that were "above drinking water standards" were NOT in the drinking water.
That's been a common ommission in most reports, actually.
Exactly, Sir
Hollering about raw lake water being above any levels required for DRINKING water FROM THE TAP is nothing but inflammatory. For all practical purposes, unless one make it a habit to drink raw lake water (sometimes the GENE POOL needs some "chlorine"!), then what matters is the water coing out of the tap. Not what sits in the lake.
RB
AHHH Yes RB....
It doesn't matter whats in the lake. It doesn't matter that the lake may not be fit for swimming or fishing. It doesn't matter that the ecosystem of the lake has been negatively affected. It doesn't matter that numerous species of fish, waterfowl, birds, beavers, and virtually every other animal that relies on the lake for survival has to live with this mess and bare its consequences. You're amazing RB. Are you on the TVA payroll?
That's not what I said, dude...
I was specifically addressing the issue of drinking water and how it tested, and the difference between the confusion some have put out and the real info.
You're quite amazing, c-man. I have rarely seen anybody so filled with hate and despising, aiming your shotgun at anybody and everybody that has to do with government or anything like it. That approach simply isn'tbased on facts, but on your own personal prejudices. That's too bad, as I can tell from much of what you write that you are otherwise a very intelligent person.
Yyou seen to be laboring under the delusion that if you can throw enough blame around, you can somehow flip a switch and get all these things undone by condemning people who are good people busting their asses to do a good job. I'm not talkingabout corporate evil. I'm talking about good people, which you seem to be unwilling to admit exist within government, TVA, or damn near anything else.
If you're just wanting to argue, argue with what I said, not with the words YOU try to put in my mouth.
RB
Filled With Hate...
Filled with hate or just not willing to give TVA a pass. Thats not even a fine line. This is merely a forum to debate issues so don't get your panties in such a wad. You sir, have clearly taken to task anyone who doesn't want to sugar coat this issue. And so have I on the flip side. My observance is such that you seem to want every opponent of TVA to head south while TVA grows grass on this stuff. You have taken defensive positions with every independent voice, presence, analysis, etc yet you say I am the one spewing hate and condemning good people. TVA is not good people. Yes they do have good people/employees in their organization, but they are not the subject's of this debacle. They - TVA are criminals who are posioning us. If you would have dumped 100 gallons of this crap into the lake you would be a poster child of evil on every network in the free world. However, when TVA dumps 5.4 Million cubic feet into the lake its somehow just an accident that we should all just forgive while exercising patience and understanding. I cant wrap my brain around that concept. I won't apologize for your opinions of my character - its simply a debate.
Allright now...
You two leave each other's (ancestry, etc.) out of the discussion. Let's stick to facts and the interpretation of facts, and try not to make judgements about each other's intentions.
Bottom line is that TVA the wholly government owned corporation did not do the right thing or this mess wouldn't be here, but the people on the ground now are working their tails off to set this right. Lot's of us are damaged in one way or another and are really
pissed offupset about it.We're going to turn that anger into positive action and hold TVA to its promise to set things right and make Roane County a poster child for turning a disaster into Eden.
Indeed, WC...
This issue started as - and I have continued it as - outcome of water testing for drinking water. I did not degenerate it into an all out attack on TVA and anbody associatd government or with recovering from this disaster.
We are told TVA is not good people... which is BS. The people who are out there busting their butts are good people and are working their hardest. You have documented, as have others, that regardless of TVA's past, they are working as hard as they can to do the best they can with the situation they have at hand.
I never advocated a "pass" for TVA. I never advocated anything less than reparations, recovery, cleanup, and making whole.
As much as I like arguing with you, I agree with this post wholeheartedly. Neither this issue nor this forum should be a vehicle for venom or vituperation.
RB
True, tap water is the most
True, tap water is the most important issue when it comes to drinking water standards, but dont forget also that kids might swallow a little water when they swim in a lake or river. And we can't treat all the lakes in the valley.
You're absolutely right, Bill
And that is an important issue. But the biggest issue at hand this moment is whether or not we can use the water coming out of taps to drink, wash in, cook with, etc. We have to eat an elephant one bite at a time. And this is an elephant.
RB