Mon
Nov 5 2007
08:17 pm

I guess everybody in Tennessee Municipal government isn't clueless, after all.

Link

Very laudable. No doubt about it.

I read the article and looked for - but did not find - a SINGLE word about just how'n'hell the finances were handled. I could do a lot of things if I could crap money. I don't know how much it cost - I absolutely confess it. Some people tell me it doesn't cost as much as I think it would. But how much IS that? How do you put new-fangled infrastructure in houses where they don't want it? I can take you to some communities in Roane County that would make the normal Luddites look progressive and where they want NOTHING to do with such contraptions.

I'll never deny that such a thing is good for a community. But an article that tells me what I already know - i.e. that it's gonna be good for the community - is a trifle superfluous and somewhat useless. Nah - lemme back up here. The article wasn't completely useless - it DID tell me of Pulaski (I have a friend there) and other communities in Tennessee. That's good to know. The REST of the article is useless, cause it tells me not one blessed thing about HOW this can be done.

I'm not shooting the messenger - that'd be WC and this fine forum - for putting it here. My problem is with the author of the article.

I'm obviously NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'm making just a wild, outside guess that there IS more to it than a municipal gummint just DECIDING they want this for their community.

Or have I missed THAT boat, too?

RB

This is really good news for Pulaski

Now if we could only get this here....

-- OneTahiti

Amen!

Just gotta know how and where...

How to get the money outta them that knows where it is :-)

I watched a thing on TV today - that "How do they make it?" show - about how fiberoptic fibers/cables are made. It is an EXPENSIVE process. It can't happen without $$$.

I don't remember numbers, but I remember that Matt Caldwell put a small fortune in making sure the sites in Ladd Landing all had fiberoptic infrastructure.

RB

Rockwood Wi-Fi

Has anyone else heard that Rockwood is uniquely positioned for city-wide wi-fi, if it set up a receiver on Mount Roosevelt? I don't know exactly how it would work, but it sounds intriguing. I agree with RB that cost is probably the most important unknown that would need to be investigated.

That would be seriously cool!

Would they be setting up a RECEIVER on Mt Roosevelt, or a TRASMITTER, or both. If only a receiver, where would they be receiving from? I WiFi unit really, to work, has to be able to get signals and to give them... i.e. receive and transmit. If receive-only, how would it talk to a WiFi equipped computer in the valley that wanted to get access from it?

Anybody know what protocol we're talking about?

RB

It's been in the works

For a year or so but no progress that I know of. I personally don't understand the hold up.

Corvus? Anybody?

Try this:

Phone Giants Are Lobbying Hard To Block Towns' Wireless Plans

GRANBURY, Texas -- After years of waiting for a local phone company to roll out high-speed Internet access in this growing lakeside town of about 6,400 people, municipal information-technology director Tony Tull took matters into his own hands. The city last year invited a start-up telecom firm to hang wireless equipment from a water tower and connect the town.

The network now provides high-speed wireless Web access to most of Granbury, and the town is negotiating to buy some of the equipment. But Granbury's foray into the wireless business has propelled it into a battle between cities and technology companies ...WSJ

Costing

I found estimates of $800 to $1500 per home to wire for fiber optic internet service. That is roughly the cost of Satellite service, so...

Abington Virginia is doin it

Abington providing free wireless internet for the entire town

It's been in the works !!

The WestRoane community has been striving for three years now to obtain Broadband service in our area. Since we gave up on BellSouth and Comcast, nearly two years ago, we have been working with a wireless provider, "Broadband," out of Minnesota to achieve our goal. This service would provide wireless broadband off of Roosevelt Mountain and then would relay the signal from small relay points into hard-to-hit pockets in the area. This service would be much better than either DSL or cable and be priced about the same or less (about $50/mo.). The background work has been completed: tower space has been obtained on Roosevelt Mt., fiber optics broadband service has been secured to Roosevelt and the entire area has been mapped as to hard-to-hit pockets. The only thing that is lacking is some local investor funding. The following will describe the present state of this project:

A message Mark W. sent over to your governor. We are frustrated that we
have held up to everything we needed to do in order to make this
happen. We will continue to try and find a local partner to help with
this deployment. If you know of anyone or know of someone that might
know someone get them in contact with me ASAP please.

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Rural Broadband in TN
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:18:28 -0600
From: Mark Wegscheid
Reply-To:
Organization: Broadband America, Corp.
To:
CC: 'Anthony Will'

Governor Bredesen,

My name is Mark Wegscheid, Anthony Will and I operate a rural wireless
high-speed internet service in Minnesota. The company's name is simply
"Broadband" and we currently service approximately 3,500 square miles of
central Minnesota. To this point we do not advertise, our service is
strictly by word of mouth and grows at consistent rate.

The reason I am writing you is that we have been working with members of
the Rockwood Tennessee community since February of 2007 to establish a
high-speed wireless internet service for the rural areas surrounding
Rockwood. To date we have performed propagation determining the best
tower locations to reach the majority of the unserviced population,
tower locations ready to go, we have the bandwidth allocated from our
partner that provides us bandwidth in MN and we are ready to pull the
trigger to establish the network. Our problem is that we were working
with a gentleman from the Rockwood area who was going to contribute
$150,000.00 to assist in the TN network, we have already invested a
great deal into the project ourselves but are limited as to being able
to achieve it with out the local investment. Unfortunately we have been
told by others in the community that this individual may not be capable
of what he lead us to believe and has recently distanced himself from
us. So now we are literally ready to deploy but have hit a brick wall.

Charlie Mead from Rockwood has been one of the main people involved in
establishing our relationship, he sent me this link

(link...)

After reading it I decided that maybe there is an avenue where the state
can provide a grant or loan to help us deploy, we have spent a year
preparing for this and have very little left to do before we could
actually start installing customers. The surrounding population of
Rockwood is VERY frustrated with the inability to get Broadband service,
we can deliver it, we have a proven network in Minnesota. I would like
very much to have a conversation with yourself or someone on your staff
in regards to our situation.

Please visit (link...) to look
at our existing network as well as (link...)
to see updates that we have posted for the
people of the Rockwood area.

I will attempt calling your office as well

Thank you for your time,

Mark wegscheid
Broadband Corp
1772 Stieger Lake Lane
Victoria MN
55386

--
Anthony Will
Broadband Corp
Office 952-215-3781

THANKS, Corvus!

In this thread I have really been looking for some concrete numbers, and the links in the reply you posted for us provide some of that.

I really hope this comes to be for the folks in the affected Rockwood area.

The costs you mentioned in your previous post - the one with the top estimate of $1500 - is that a one-time cost separate from monthly fees?

Anyway, back to the proposal/project of Broadband. So we're really looking at $150K plus for a wireless broadband project of this size. It ain't peanuts, but it ain't wildly ridiculous, either, IMHO.

Although this level of service would certainly be a great benefit as opposed to no service, there are issues with wireless broadband. I don't know how many nodes might be planned or put in place, but overloading nodes with connections can get folks bumped in the middle of a session. The part of the radio spectrum in which wireless (for instance that 802.XX protocols start in the 2.4 gigahertz band) operates are, like satellite communications, subject to interference from leafy trees, wind, rain, snow, etc. The signal paths, while they can penetrate buildings to a degree, are very much straight-line.

Depending on how a wireless network is set up, security can be an issue. I don't remember seeing whether this would be a secure network or not. If not secure, anybody with a wireless card of the right type would be in the network, just like driving up outside the local Krystal.

Not at all saying that to discourage it - I hope it happens! But even though they may be nearly transparent for subscribers, wireless broadband networks are complex beasts.

All this illustrates the point I tried - perhaps poorly - to make in another post on the subject of bringing broadband to unserved neighborhoods: It takes way more than a decision that we want this to happen to make it happen. The issues documented by Broadband (the company) in the piece that Corvus has been nice enough to bring to us illustrate that point all too well.

I wonder what the responses from the State of Tennessee and the Governor have been to what the Broadband folks have said to them?

RB

Anonymity must be nice...

when you want to engage in personal attacks, huh?

Sinkhole my eye! Nothing the Caldwells have touched has turned into a sinkhole. Their history of success speaks for itself, whether you have a personal problem with some of 'em or not.

Get a grip and leave off the personal attacks. That isn't what we're about.

RB

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