Fri
Feb 27 2009
09:48 am

An attorney representing TVA said Thursday afternoon in court it might file a discretionary immunity motion, meaning the utility, because it's a government entity, might not have to pay restitution to the affected residents.

OK...I am now officially pissed!

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Well I have called

Well I have called Alexander’s office and Corkers office already this morning. We the people are going to have to fight this crap everyone needs to call their congressmen Remember they are the ones that have been telling us that they want the TVA do the right thing and take care of the people of Roane County. We need the publicity on this issue! I told Corker and Lamar that they need to get down here and meet with these affected people (because they have meet with the big wigs at TVA) and the residents and unite to do what is right for Roane County. We cannot stand by and let TVA do this. It don’t seem any of our local officials are going to organize a push to help the people out there so someone needs to!
Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Alexander and Corker

You maybe right that we need to call someone.
It would seem that Alexander and Corker should already know.
If they cared wouldn't they already be doing something?
You seem to imply that they will not do anything and it will be up to the people.
While I may agree.
I think you just wasted a couple of good phone calls.
You know that old song, call someone who cares.
Call a democrat.
TVA has been done in by the Republicans that you support.

I don't support them they

I don't support them they are my elected official and I called them.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

THe statement alone is an outrage!

I hope this is sabre rattling. There is no way in creation that they can walk away. But, what it could do is create a tremendous delay while it is tied up in court. I'll beat the same old drum....If we don't get our leaders off their collective rear ends, we are headed for trouble. The best way to do that is a show of public outrage with lots of media present.

Change in TVA leadership

I didn't really have much faith in the TVA Board, but with the former GOP Chair's (Mike Duncan) recent takeover of TVA's Board, we should have seen this coming. Roane County will now feel the wrath of this next disaster - that of the uncaring GOP TVA. Bush's disaster response tatics lives on. - It happened to the Country that I love, now it will happen to the Roane County that I love. Grassroots action needs to start today, if not yesterday.

The Bush disaster response

The Bush disaster response tatics lives on? Where has Obama been?

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Obama's response, Bush's response

Obama and the Democrats are right now working to correct the path of our policies.
It's a big job to turn around the past 8 years of bad policies.
They are already working on actions specifically around this ash slide.
You will see these policies soon.
You know where Obama has been, don't kid us.
He is working, working, working, whereas, Bush was vacationing, vacationing, vacationing.
On the other side, Mike Duncan, in the spirit of the GOP/Bush policies are picking when TVA is to considered a government entity and when to be private business, just like WhitesCreek has stated.
As a member of the GOP do you put your faith in Mike Duncan to do what's right by TVA?
You are lucky to have Obama for a President.
Maybe someday you will understand that as he is trying his best to get us out of this national economic disaster, as a result of Bush's blind eye.
If, God forbid, another disaster comes along, then you will see true leadership not the GOP game playing by fighting the wrong war for their Daddy or the good job talk for his political national disaster cronies that really run horse races as real people are suffering without their homes and as their families are divided.
I love this country.
I love this community.
Does Mike Duncan?

Your points are well taken.

Your points are well taken. But can our President not step up now and show some leadership in this TVA mess? Does he even know about the impact of this spill? He has made no statement about the spill.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Yeah..

I mean Obama has been in office five weeks already. he should have the whole country straightened out by now. He scheduled the end of the Iraq war yesterday so I'm sure we'll hear something pretty fast.

Actually, I know this seems like a huge deal and it is. But there are so many huge problems being dealt with right this minute that our problem is way down the list for the most important man in the world with only 24 hours in the day.

It's OUR job to make reasonable noise, and get to our elected officials from the bottom up. I'm more than disappointed in our Senators and half of our Congress Critters. I want to see more out of Lincoln.

Our local guys have been rather ineffective up to this point. The TVA catastrophe is by far the most important issue on the table at the present time. In my analysis, Mike Farmer should be the lead in dealing with it and making sure we get the information we need and deserve. Mike's one hour a week committee looks like a sham and a failure to me.

What's going on with that? Mayor Farmer is welcome to post here at Roane Views any time to fill us in.

I agree with you WhitesCreek

I agree with you WhitesCreek I was a little hasty in my comments. But I am not a Republican or a Democrat I am for who I think is the best person. But for someone to suggest that we should not contact our elected officials because they are republican don't fly. I agree with the "Hand Picked" recovery committee. And what is up with the meeting being at 4:30 on a Wed. When most of us have to work in Knoxville or outside Roane County? In my long frustrating conversations with Mr. Farmer I have drawn the conclusion he is in way over his head and to his wits end with this situation. Which is sad! But you are right we have to hold our elected local officials accountable. Remember next year is an election year!

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Citizens Revolt!

Now is time for the People to call a citizen's meeting in which we invite our elected officals - no TVA whankers just our elected officals.

Call them before us to answer our questions and tell us what they are doing on our behalf.

And we can tell them what we want.

We run the meeting and make the rules - they will be the quests.

The officals that show up we can decided to keep or not keep at the next election.

The no shows we know will have to go.

Its time to take back our government.

Who will help set this meeting up?

I am all in! Randy

I am all in!

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Count me in!

We need a place to meet and some publicity.

We must proceed through productive channels

Lincoln Davis is our best ally. Like I said before Lincoln is very concerned about Roane County and he has stated that his #1 priority is making sure TVA deals fairly with Roane County. Contacting Corker or Alexander is a waste of energy. Also there is no one at the local or state level that can help us as effectively as Lincoln Davis. Mike Farmer and Troy Beets are in so far over there heads perhaps someone should throw them a life jacket. They look like two collective wet rats floating out to sea on a 2x4. I called Lincoln last week and he called me back within 3 minutes while standing on the capital steps. You'll never get a call back from our GOP suckass senators. Furthermore, my faith in Bredesen is waning by the day. Wise up people...contact Lincoln Davis today. I am posting the link.

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Crappieman you just proved

Crappieman you just proved what I was referring too. Mike Farmer is NOT pushing for our best interests or trying to make our point to get us help. I too have spoke to Lincoln and he is our best ally. I encourage everyone to call him.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Life line from the Democrat

Don't you wish you had called Lincoln before Corker and Alexander.
Can't have it both ways. My bread is buttered from Obama all the way down to Dennis Ferguson.Surely you don't think Obama can clean up (in less than a month)what has been going on for the past 8 years.

I did talk to Lincoln

I did talk to Lincoln personaly by phone shortly after the spill. He was the first and so far the only elected official that has even contacted some of the residents on Swan Pond. As stated I contacted the other 2 because they don't need a free pass because some people don't care for them they need to hear about it also.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Lincoln Davis

Yes, we pay attention to our constituents! We(as in the office of Lincoln Davis) have scheduled one of our regular open meetings on March 14, 9:00 AM EST, at the Kingston Community Center. You should see something in the paper soon as well as hearing the announcement on radio.
This is one of our regular open meetings, but please feel free to address you concerns about TVA or other federal issues.

Sammy Here is a rundown of our concerns

1. Contaminated lake

2. Contaminated air

3. Contaminated property values

4. Contaminated marketability

5. Contaminated local economy

There's 5 bombs TVA has dropped on Kingston, and all we see from TVA is a new wave of bombers on the horizon in the form of a 50 acre gypsum pond, Kansas City lawyers, a GOP environmental cancer aka Mike Duncan, and a pledge from TVA to make the ratepayers cough up the cash. As you can see our citizens are running short on patience. We're tired of reading TVA's "It may be a while before we get to you" letters while their $9Billion organization digs into their defensive positions. We are being raped and pillaged by TVA!!

Lincoln's staff is on RoaneViews, where are Corkers/Alexanders

Wow!
Old fashion calls to the Old GOP does nothing.
So, who's in tune with today's times and people?
Democrats.
Lincoln's staff show up on here to hear directly from the people.
All people.
Democrats and Republicans.
It took Democrats to reclaim a hopeful future for our Country and honor.
It may just take Democrats reclaiming leadership on the TVA board to reclaim hope and honor for TVA.
This business as usual mode for TVA could mean the end of TVA as we know it.
Love your country, not just yourself.
Lincoln leading by example.

Soon....If we are not careful

We'll be looking back and trying to figure out whether it was the Republicans or the Democrats who screwed us worse.
We need to put partisan politics down and develop a loud, unified community voice that cannot be ignored. Brant's proposal of a Citizens Revolt brings angry mob to mind, but it's a sound method of getting things done. I'm glad that Lincoln Davis appears to be in our corner, but he can only do so much. We are the ones with the most to lose and we had better start acting like it. The TVA lawyer who threw out the not so veiled threat did not do so lightly....he did what he was told. It was a well calculated move to scare the crap out of our leaders. In most circles that would be called a great offensive strategy. Instead of griping and hand wringing we need to develop our own strategy.

And what's wrong with Angry Mobs?

Angry mobs have often changed the course of history.

Perhaps we’d be better served to stop whining and start marching.

What is wrong with law-abiding citizens holding public meetings and rallies to express themselves?

Why do we need elected officals and TVA retainers to hold our meeting for us?

WC, Your heading says, TVA

WC, Your heading says, TVA lawyer says, "Screw Roane County"
Did the lawyer really say that or is it just your interpetation? And, your way to try and incite the citizens?
If he didn't say those words, then your heading is really a lie.

Did the TVA attorney really need to use those words??

An attorney representing TVA said Thursday afternoon in court that they might file a discretionary immunity motion which means that the utility because they are a government entity might not have to pay restitutions to the affected residents

C'mon what else would this quote imply? If you see a silver lining in that statement please offer some enlightenment. The only silver lining I could imagine would be if I were a TVA employee hoping not to miss a bonus this year.

Then the heading should have

Then the heading should have read "implies" instead of "says"
That sort of headline reminds me of the National Enquirer or some other ragsheet headline that screams one thing to get your attention but isn't in the article itself.

Harrimanite

This is beginning to be one of those times when we must say,

"Yer either fer or agin, us - what's it gonna be?"

That you are a darn good TVA apologist is clear, but no amount of genuflecting before that outfit will change the truth.

I predicted in December that TVA would position itself to walk away and it sure looks like that is what they are planning to do.

As TVA shucks and jives, glad-hands and dances, they are inching toward slipping to stage left and a quick exit.

Right now, the battle is about position and perception and TVA is winning.

So are you "fer or agin us?"

My whole point was that the

My whole point was that the heading was false.

I don't think you would appreciate someone writing a heading like that when you didn't say the words. As a matter of fact, I think you've "jumped" on other posters when they presume to put words in your mouth (quotes or their presumption of the context of your posts)

I don't appreciate your characterization of me. You don't know me or how I stand on this or really any other issue. It disturbs me that you would go on a tirade about me posting the question of whether the heading was a true statement/quote!

Just because the majority of Roane County isn't jumping up and down and beating their chest about this incident, doesn't mean that we aren't just as concerned!

Harrimanite,

Are you not an apologist for TVA?

If you are not, I must have confused you with another poster who takes TVA's side in every thread regarding the TVA ASH DISASTER.

If that is not you then I apologize for the mix up (you must admit it is easy to be mixed up).

However, if it is you and you feel some of us are "jumping up and down and beating our chest about this incident" more than we should, why would the suggestion that you are supportive of TVA cause you resentment?

Seems to me the only reason one should be upset for being called an apologist for TVA is if one is not supportive of TVA. If that is the case, I do apologize for that would be without question an insult.

I didn't mean the post to seem a tirade. I was just making a point - the people who understand what the TVA ASH DISASTER represents and means to everyone in Roane County are reaching the point where we must "shake the dust from our feet" and leave behind those that want to remain with their heads buried in the sand (or in this case, ash).

Sides are being and should be taken - I was and am just saying it may be time to stop wasting breath on those who obviously feel TVA can do and has done no wrong.

Question: If someone wrecks their car into your car, while it may have been an accident you expect them to pay. Furthermore, you may well want to be paid for damages beyond the value of your automobile.

Moreover, you may have suffered injuries (as in back or neck) that won't manifest themselves immediately and may cause suffering for years to come.

However, because of the way our laws work you must begin the process to recover for those indeterminate injuries now - even before you know the full extent of the damage.

Isn't that all people are doing in regard to the TVA ASH DISASTER.

That is all I am saying our local governments must do. If we do any less would be doing our jobs. If your lawyer told you not to worry about your neck or back pain would he be doing his or her job?

If that is offensive or is too much "chest thumping" to suit some - tough.

I posted some facts about

I posted some facts about some of the people affected, a relative of mine included, who had gotten settlements from TVA to someone who keeps saying "TVA is doing nothing". Does that make me an apologist? I don't think so. I never did like labels.
I've never apologized for anything TVA has done that might (or has) endangered the health of our residents.

Your problem seems to be a "shoot first and ask questions later" approach to anyone who disagrees with any opinion you have. Then you apologize when you realize you should have given it more thought before your fingers "hit the keys".

For you to post, "You're either for us or agin us" is a very antagonistic statement. I do think that your sometime brash, radical, outspoken approaches to some of the problems facing Kingston and Roane County could best be handled with a little "honey" mixed with that "vinegar". Someone else suggested the same thing in another post, didn't they?

The ash storage didn't happen overnight. Everyone who ever traveled down Swan Pond Road (or lived or boated near it) saw it growing and growing and growing and never questioned its health or environmental concerns until the spill happened. They allowed their children to play on top of it (the soccer field). Where were their concerns for the last 50 years?

By no means, am I'm dismissing this diaster. TVA should pay and pay dearly for the lives they disrupted. (I've said this before, but you must have forgotten about that post!)

It's going to take some time, the restitution and the recovery can't and won't happen overnight.
So I'm just thinking that you should call off the lynch mob and pack the noose away for the time being. There are better, more civilized ways to handle this. Organize the community and concern groups, voice your concerns through the proper channels. Keep calling your representatives. Let them know you don't want this to be swept under the rug.
But to me, and many others, a screaming mob will be far less effective than handling it in an organized and informative manner.

You are correct harrimanite

this is growing daily even as we speak, find me one property owner who settled, and are not HAPPY most made nearly double what they would have gotten on the market, i know 3 famiies who moved to Centers Farm and they have a hefty chunk left over, if you can find me one homeowner who has sold and is not happy i will buy you a cup of java.

Never said I was sorry

I meant it and stand by it.

An apologist is not one who apologizes but is one who explains and defends a particular viewpoint (on in this case TVA) in an attempt to discredit or repudiate opposing viewpoints.

I did not attack or "shoot first" at you.

Just said it may and seems to be getting to the point for a large number of people that TVA supporters, apologists, fans, etc. are irrelevant as in "fer or agin us."

It doesn't speak badly of you or anyone else.

It just means your opinions are of little concern to those seeking a resolution or outcome to their satisfaction not TVA's, yours, or mine.

That TVA has made some people happy is wonderful.

Does their pleasure mean others who feel they have not been handled as well should also be happy?

No, I never said a word against you and only said I was sorry if I mixed you up with another poster.

Obviously, I did not.

The honey and vinegar thing sounds fine for some but it doesn't work for me. If I had big political aspirations maybe. In addition, playing nice with many of the folks around here just means you are an easier target because your guard will be down when they find it expedient to turn on you.

Again, if you re-read my post it was not an attack on you. Rather it was an expression of my belief that many people are moving beyond hearing range of TVA's cheerleaders.

Like the crap, that because someone drove by that ash pit it is somehow his or her fault that the spill occurred. Or if someone flipped a light switch, they caused the spill. That is the most idiotic thing I have read on this site yet.

I suppose it is the rape victims fault that she lived all those years next door to man who turned out to be dangerous rapist. Of course she have should have known (by some mysterious osmosis) that one day he would break into her house and have his way with her.

Give us all a break! It is NOT our fault that TVA had a ASH SPILL. It is not TVA's fault either - but they own it! We do not and we should pay any price that it occured.

That last part you can consider an attack, shot across your bow, or whatever.

I never laid "fault" of the

I never laid "fault" of the ash spill on any person. Only that they were aware of the "mountain" growing there and maybe should have questioned its content and safety issues before it collapsed.

You really should calm down and maybe take a nerve pill while reading (and writing) posts on here.
Your attacking behavior can sometimes be almost comical, if the situations weren't so serious.

All I posted on this thread to start with was when I was asking about the truth in the "heading" WC posted, but you jumped in and lashed out like I was some Public Enemy #1 with my head up TVA's rearend. Give me a break! I've never excused TVA from this spill, nor their liability for it.

As far as the "honey/vinegar" comment.... No man is a mountain. There may come a time when you could use help. What if you were "tuned out" because of past interaction with someone who could have helped. Apologies, after the fact, can be so shallow?

First

You are correct I am lumping those who still prescribe "watchful waiting" in the same basket.

You never blamed the ash spill on "single" person it sounded like you are blaming everyone. I read the following statement by you and lumped it in with others who are blaming the victims:

The ash storage didn't happen overnight. Everyone who ever traveled down Swan Pond Road (or lived or boated near it) saw it growing and growing and growing and never questioned its health or environmental concerns until the spill happened. They allowed their children to play on top of it (the soccer field). Where were their concerns for the last 50 years?

Like me, you also write things that can be taken two ways. Maybe you didn't mean that statement as blaming anyone, but it could be read that way.

In addition, you are probably right on the jumping up and down thing. However, you posts tend make one think that many residents are at fault for not doing something that could somehow have prevented this ash spill.

For the record I am aware that in the end the middle of the road people will be the ones to ultimately determine the outcome of this event.

However, in our political system when you want change to occur rapidly someone has to swing way out to one end or the other of the spectrum of actions. By doing this the entire political body or "will to move" is pulled in that direction.

Sometimes radical speech, radical thoughts, and radical action are a very legitimate response to times that call for change and TVA needs to be changed - sooner not later. You are a student of politics and history so I know that you understand this - has it occured to you that this is my intent.

On the "honey - vinager" issue - honey attracks lots of creepy crawly critters while vinager is a great disinfectant. And the saying goes you can catch a lot more flies with honey.... I don't want to catch the flies I want to drive them out!

I could care less about kissing up to people to get their votes. If I am right vote with me, if I am wrong vote against me. I said this at my first council meeting and will say it at my last. I hope at that last meeting I can say that I never compromised my integrity for a vote.

For example if on a given issue I was calling for the right or correct action and someone could but would not vote for that action because I had at one point or another insulted them or hurt their feelings over something I posted here, then I'd say that person had little integrity.

In a way you are correct it seems many people vote according to who their buddies are or who sucks up to them rather than looking at the issues - but wait isn't that what the good ol' boy system is all about - brokering your vote for favors and hanging with your friends in order to remain in power and in control.

If that is what you are suggesting, I cannot do it.

One of the sicknesses we have in local politics is all the deal making and vote sucking up that goes on. If people would just speak their minds and then take what seems to them to be the best course of action everyone would be better off.

Again, all I can say is that I am not climbing a political ladder and have no expectations of a "career" in politics - this gives me a degree of freedom of expression that others do not have or at least do not make use.

It is sad that you thought I jumped in and lashed out as if you were Public Enemy #1 with your head up TVA's rearend. I may have implied that and I have explained why that's all I can do. Since then you first said I couldn't possible know how you felt about TVA and the spill. You were right you had never really said. But quess what over you last three posts you have clarified your position. I now know that you aren't in the TVA is god camp after all.

As far as my jumping on you, I fed up with all the mush mouthing about how TVA is good, people are bad, and the spill is our fault because we should have known the ash was dangerous. These are not your words but it is a growing theme from a number of posters and I am afraid our leaders. It is easy to lump all those pleading moderation into the same boat with the TVA folks.

Why should we be moderate - why shouldn't we be jumping up and down, chest thumping mad? What is not to be mad about?

Again, I am not apologizing to you or anyone else over anything I have posted about the TVA ash spill.

I've lived a long life and

I've lived a long life and was once a brash, outspoken person who pushed for what I thought was right and honest. I still have my integrity and honesty. But I have mellowed somewhat to my way of interacting with others.
Looking back, I can see where I could have done so much more if I hadn't tried to bull doze my thinking on others. If I had presented my knowledge and outlook with a little less "gusto", (ie, a LITTLE honey mixed with the vinegar), it might not have appeared to be pushing it down people's throats.

It's sad but true, people don't like to feel like they are being bullied or that their "ignorance" (of the project or situation) is being broadcast. Or that it is a "choose my side or hit the highway" type of thinking.
There are those who, after giving it some thought and study can see both sides of the coin and would approach the problem more learned and open minded.

I wish you luck in serving in your position. But, as an outsider, looking in, I can see that your personality (or at least how you present things) could be part of the problems you incur within Kingston's council.

There will always be people who are unqualified for the job getting elected simply because it is a popularity contest 90% of the time! And, when you do your homework and know what you are talking about, it is frustrating to have to deal with those who have no clue to handling problems. You just have to deal with it as civily as you can and hope the next election brings in a better crop!!!

Thank you

For the thoughtful and considered advice.

You are correct that I am 100% of the problem with Kingston's City council.

I cannot recall a single time when had I not been present there would have been an opposing voice or any disagreement.

If I were not on council, the meetings would undoubtedly be harmonious, pleasant, and uneventful.

I am fully aware of this and I wonder often whether things are the way they are because of how I am or is it becuase of the positions I take.

In our meetings you are right, it is often more important how you say something than what it is you are saying.

I go the meetings determined not to be controversial. I seldom make it through a meeting and it isn't just because of my manner.

My positions on issues are so far from those of most on council or at least from what they present, the only way to keep things smooth is for me to be totally silent.

However, as my positions usually take the side of people and citizens over the city, I wonder if the people I represent would appreciate my staying silent.

Your advice is good. However, as I am a minority of one on council only my being vocal gives me any chance of having an effect. I could remain silent and still be in the minority but with no voice.

Or I can "brashly" voice my opinions in the hopes of not changing anyone's mind but of affecting the outcome.

In other words, I can't win the final the vote but I can and do change the outcome by helping to mold the final product.

The question is if I used more honey could I actually win the vote.

If you understood the dynamics on our council you might agree that as long as Beets is mayor anyone who wants to do anything except what he wants will lose.

Therefore, I can't win - but I can be the loyal but loud backbencher who keeps on trying to keep things on the up and up.

Finally, if this election busts up Mayor Beets' death grip on open discussion of issues and on votes, I can assure you and everyone else that they will see a new me in our meetings.

If the election brings in people who will speak their minds, remain independent, and not run things as if it is game of Survivor, Kingston will win and I will be all sweetness and light.

Right now however, as I cannot change the minds of people who votes appear to be pre-determined, I can if loud enough and if I have done enough homework affect the product if not the final vote tally.

So I will keep on "fighting" for no tax increases, fair treatment of all citizens, business, etc.

But believe me I am praying that this election brings some big changes on council - especially our Mayor.

The first part of the original article...

... has been so demonized that folks have forgotten the last part of it:

"TVA officials wouldn't speak on camera Thursday about the lawsuits, but they released a statement saying they're committed to the residents and will clean up the spill."

At least in those words there is still a commitment. And they're not supposed to speak on camera about pending lawsuits.

RB

Well RB I can take you to

Well RB I can take you to several residents on Swan Pond that the TVA won't even talk to! And these people do not have a lawsuit filed or retained a attorney. We need to pull together and stop giving TVA the benefit of the doubt and stop dragging their feet. We have no local officials that seem to have the fire in their belly to take on the
TVA to do whats right. Or if they are taking them on they have felled to make it know and when you call someone like Mike Farmer and he seems troubled by the fact that you even called about the subject makes it even worse.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Yep. No doubt.

But all I really said was simply that there's more to the story. Facts are rarely served well by taking a story and reacting or talking only about the parts of it that reinforce the decisions and opinions we already have.

RB

But is it not our local

But is it not our local officials job to communicate information or dispel incorrect information given to the citizens?

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Indeed it is, Randy...

"But is it not our local officials job to communicate information or dispel incorrect information given to the citizens?"

Indeed. But that is not the title nor topic of this thread. It was started about the notion that some TVA lawyer said, in effect, "Screw Roane County" in the mention that they are considering some legal machinations to exercise some sort of governmental immunity from lalwsuits. Not much any local official can do about information dispensed from a TVA lawyer. How could a local official correct or dispute or dispel incorrect information from that source? If a TVA lawyer says he/she is considering such and such an action, how can a local offical "correct" that?

RB

Releasing Statements

Releasing statements is not the same as releasing money.

TVA has a very large staff and an outside public relations firm paid to do nothing but release statements.

Tell us how releasing statements washes against the statements of our neighbors who say TVA is less forth coming with help than it is with statements.

The most ironic part of the

The most ironic part of the whole thing is we still have to pay our light bill every month and the TVA gets that money. So guess what we are funding the TVA to pay these high power lawyers to fight us! So any one that sues the TVA will have to pay themself. lol

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

TVA can not just

cut out the light bills now think about that. I pay mine and go on with my day to day life. TVA to the best of my understanding bought some of the homes and land affected. I know one family came out pretty good on the deal and now live in Centers Farm..

Others expect a better day tomorrow

Your point is exactly the issue.
TVA has got us.
They provide our electricity.
Our lives and businesses revolve around electricity.
We are stuck with no good options.
Or do we?
TVA playing both government and private, must stop.
The high density, cookie cutter look of Centers Farm verses the rural nature of Swan Pond.
Pre-ash slide Swan Pond wins.
They didn't come out good from this deal.
They just came out.
It's your option to go on with your day to day.
Others expect a better day tomorrow.

I agree loveofcountry Randy

I agree loveofcountry

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

I would not

say the people of Swan Pond ever had it better than Centers Farms. Look at where they are now land value is nothing no one wants to move there. But one way of looking at this ash spill that NONE of you have even considered the good side of it. How many of the clean up workers are now able to feed the family, pay the mortage, even pay the electric bill now with no worries. It has created so many jobs and money is flowing. Even the kingston police is cashing in now. I do understand how the people who live over there feel but its only a small area that was never really thought a lot about until this happened and now some of you that live there or have family there are looking at a way to cash in. I have heard now of people saying they are sick from it and they have lived there for many years and just now get sick, people the ash has been there for many many years now and it was never clean. But if I owned land there i would be doing the same thing hoping to cash in. How bout you Randy. I understand you are running for city council in Harriman you need to focus your energy here and not Swan Pond they can not elect you. I am a resident of a good area now but grew up around Tri angle park. I also would like to know what you have planned to do with the old paper mill site its a toxic dump it needs cleaned up...

Well it is key to focus our

Well it is key to focus our energy in Harriman to attracting new business and industry to Harriman to lower our tax burden. I would like to see from our city building inspector what steps have been taken to clean up places such as the old paper mill and building that are falling apart. I propose we starting fining places like this daily to clean up and if they don't clean up and refuse to pay the fines then we take levy's out against the propert follow the proper legal procedures and take the property and clean it up and sell it for market value and the city keeps the money. We really need to put some teeth behind our effort to clean up Harriman from such eye sores and hazards. And if such policies are in effect then why do we still have these properties in the city? I will work tirelessly to get answers to these questions. And in respects to why I am focusing so much energy on Swan Pond well I have a very sick 84 year old grand mother and my mother and my father that is disabled with several respiratory illnesses. And I want them out of there they live across the road from the mess and the TVA will not even talk with them. They are covered with dust inside and out at their house. So I have a very vested interest in Swan Pond. I hope that you take a chance to look at my website and look forward to meeting with you one day! If you would like to discuss issues give me a call dbi or shoot me a email 865-335-7891

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

You hit a few good points but

where is your answer as to how you will do all that you wrote about. It sounds good to say we need business but what kind and how will you get them to choose Harriman over Lenoir City? I also wonder who will we fine? no one seems to own the old paper mill. Plus its a hazard lots of chemical in that soil it would become a bigger problem than it would be worth to the city. As for cleaning up buildings that are falling down that would be more than half of downtown as well at the temperance building. I think you should also make a move on getting your family out of there if they are that bad off move them to a nursing home or move them in with you. I would not wait for TVA to flip that bill not with a loved one in harms way like that.

SP is everyone's issue.

dpi thinks Swam Pond and Harriman are not connected.
dpi wants to know why new business would pick Harriman over LC.
Swan Pond has become a RC issue.
SP directly affects Harriman.
RCs image is now directly tied to SP.
Harriman already had issues such as abandoned buildings.
Now Harriman has the added complexity of being in RC and being neighbors with SP.
RC is connected to Knoxville's business community.
RC is connected to Tennessee's business community.
And so on.
SP is not in Harriman's city limits.
However, it should be a top Harriman issue.
dpi thinks the TVA cleanup is good for our economy.
There maybe some trade off, but not to the extent that we have been damaged.
We live in a connected world.
Are TVAs contract and temporary workers RC residents.
Or is this creating jobs for transient workers that take the money back to where they came from.
Does TVA want to hire local workers who will see what is really doing on.
SP is everyone's issue.
dpi, times are rough.
Not many grandmothers or families can afford to pick up and leave.
Paying for two houses.
May sound like common sense.
But reality rules.
Trade offs happen.
It is easy for you to say what to do with a grandmother.
Have you really had to face this.
I have.
Often very sadly.

Harriman had many

issues way before SP become a county issue. I don't agree with you when you say that its now a Harriman top problem no its a county issue and it will be overcome. Now about the workers over cleaning up the area many are from here and some are not sense we here don't the qualified people to do some of it. I know a big part of the money is being spent here local hotels are full and they are eating locally now they may be sending their paychecks home to support the family back home and there is nothing wrong with that. I am sorry for the ones who feel like they need to move and if TVA felt they needed to move also they would have moved them as they have other familys...the whole SP area is no more affected now as it was in 1970. The area affected is the ones with ash in the yard not the ones who claim there could be some dust. They could always file a claim with insurance if the insurance says no then guess what its not affected. I face things but I don't live in SP or any where near TVA. I have some houses to rent if any of you are that in need. I can get the gov to pay for the rent if the grandparents or family meet the standards.. let me know

There are many types of

There are many types of incentives you can offer a business or industry to locate with in your city. There is tax abatement discounted utilities. And our most marketable resource is our people and work force. Listed in the state tax record it lists Clinch River Corporation as owner of the old paper mill. Now if any effort on council or by the city is being made to contact them or clean it up is unknown to me. AS far as the buildings falling apart we have to make a effort to get this mess cleaned up. Another great quality of an elected official is to listen to what their constituents have to say. You have offered several questions dbi I am very interested to see what ideas you have to offer on these matters. It is going to take a city as a whole working together to make this a better place to live just not the people sitting on council.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Well I can offer you some things

not many will agree but I think it may be in the best interested of Harriman as we know it today. I think we have had a great past with the old buildings on Roane St but they are ready to be put to rest. Many of them are not viable to fix. Downtown will never be as it once was not even with the Princess being the center of the rebirth. I see things as they are. We have at this time nothing to offer any biz. Do you think any biz wants to move into any of the buildings in town? Like i said though with the paper mill site the soil there has high toxic levels how would the city pay for the clean up.. The answer is I dont have one. I have some ideas that would help up most of that is cutting some of the cities wages and staff... we dont need 25 HPD LEO's..

Problem may not be lack of will

The problem and resulting frustration you feel with our elected officials (and I am one) is not simply because we all lack the will or desire to "hold TVA accountable".

I am not apologizing for those officials that feel TVA is second only to the Holy Ghost in representing God on Earth (can you say Boss Beets), but

I am saying that it is a matter of firepower. Yes, guns. TVA has the big guns.

I am merely a City Councilman of a city of 5500 souls who was attacked by his own Mayor because I was fighting to hold TVA's feet to the fire and I as most local officials have few weapons at my disposal. Then when we do try to use our only effective weapon - our soapbox we can count on TVA's lackeys working overtime to discredit us.

Here is a hard fact - there is no local or state agency that has the legal authority to tell TVA what to do. Even those that portend to have the power and authority (TDEC, TWRA, etc.) really do not.

Even Lincoln Davis can do no more than hold hearings, raise questions, and or present plans.

When it comes to TVA, there is not a single person in the State of Tennessee or in the country short of the President of the United State who without warrant, subpoena, or court order can force TVA to attend a meeting, spend a dime, or say "Howdy Do".

TVA knows this.

Thus, it is safe to say but not an insult to say Mike Farmer is over his head. Unlike others who cast their lot in with TVA from the git-go, Mike has been and is trying.

At first, his committee seemed a grand idea - but it is unknowlingly playing TVA tune.

Whenever things look like they are heating up, TVA cries out, "Oh, no please don't ya'll throw us in that thar briar patch! No, no, not that - anything but that! We'll be good! We'll make things right... just not the briar patch!”

Upon hearing TVA lamentation, Mike's committee hollars, "We've got 'em now, boys! We're puttin' the hurt on 'em but good!" With this the committee hunkers back down, redoubling its efforts - ciphering, studying, and planning up a storm as TVA slips off to you know where.

The fact of the matter is that there is no one and no committee in Roane County equipped to go toe to toe with the stalling, blame-shifting, stonewalling, media manipulating pros at TVA.

Rest assured for all their talk of low salaries and hard times recruiting top notch people, TVA is first string all the way. Think of it, TVA has million dollar men!

Who in our local governments can boast being worth a million dollars a year?

To top that off, TVA probably has more in-house lawyers, legal aids, and public relations wordsmiths than Mike Farmer has County employees.

While Farmer's folks are trying to keep the day to day business of the county on track, TVA's hired pistoleros and in-house gunslingers are working full time to make sure TVA does NOT have to pay a dime more than TVA wants to pay.

That's at the County level, just think what in the world can Kingston City Council do?

Why pick any 10 of the top men at TVA and their salaries probably add up to more than Kingston's entire budget! We have no staff, no PR people, a get-along-go-along City Manager (a good man but one not prone to voluntarily poking skunks), and we meet just twice a month (at that most on council start getting antsy to adjourn whenever a meeting goes past an hour and a half).

While I hate to admit it, I too am at a loss. I am way over my head.

We all KNOW that Roane County has suffered grievously but just how grievous? Other than the people directly harmed who can accurately predict the long term and lasting negative effects of TVA’s Ash Spill (BTW which dumbass agreed to call TVA's Ash Spill the Emory River Ash Spill when the only thing the river spilled was dead fish!)

If TVA is dragging its feet to avoid or postpone helping the individuals who have NOT yet filed lawsuits, what chance does Mike Farmer, Mike's committee, Brant Williams, or for that matter Boss Beets have in getting TVA to pay more than lip service to our demands?

Perhaps that is why some officials are playing footsie with TVA. Heck, they know that TVA doesn’t have to talk to them, so why not go hat in hand, begging for any tasty scrap or tender morsal that might fall from the lord and master’s table?

Maybe Boss Beets is right – when in the giant’s castle looking to cop some coin, tread lightly so as not to offend the great beast. When seen in this light it is no surprise that Boss Beets first tired to gag me through a council vote and when that failed painted me a liar and an unethicial cheat because I was saying TVA should pay for the damage it wrought.

On the other hand, let’s say I again went off the reservation and talked Councilman McClure into helping call another public meeting, what then?

Been there, done that - TWICE.

Let’s say a big crowd of concerned citizens shows up, Boss Beets will talk down to them and treat them like idiots and Heaven help the poor soul who lives outside the city limits that attends a Kingston meeting and has the audacity to speak out. Who can blame people for giving up when faced with that kind of aggession at the hands of the man charged to watch out for them.

Naturally, TVA would show up in force and again monopolize the meeting with their song and dance. Even if their million dollar men don’t show, by now their lowest minions have the routine down pat. Tap-a-tap-tappity-tap-tap!

Same show, different day and when it’s all over, nothing will have changed.

Yes, Mike Farmer may very be over his head, I know I am.

I desperately want to do something to help, but at this point haven’t a clue and it seems every avenue is blocked by more "level headed" politicians who would rather swallow TVA's swill than find their own drink.

Sure I could go back on the TV news and even raise a stink for the papers, but before long Boss Beets or some other TVA bootlick would back-stab me (again). Heck, reporters still call looking for a juicy story, but without backing I am no longer willing to go it alone – Boss Beets’ beat me down (someone should write a song - the Boss Beets Beat Down).

To make matters worse I am beginning to think that no amount of talk and no matter how numerous the meetings, we may have reached the point of no return. We may have waited too long to BEGIN listing our demands.

Sure, it is too early to expect settlements but it was never too early to begin telling TVA what we expected, needed, and wanted.

By now, I am concerned that TVA is so firmly entrenched in a defensive posture that the only way to break them down may be through some form of civil disobedience.

However, before that happens we have another hope.

  • The county commission could pass laws making it illegal to dump or store fly ash and acidic gypsum in Roane County or they could impose dumping fees. While the laws would likely not hold up they would get some much-needed publicity and put TVA on notice as to whose side our local government stood.
  • If they cannot stop the dumping then the county should levy a service charge for every pound that is stored in Roane County. Some of the money could go into to a trust fund for the people who inevitably will be hurt.
  • Another tactic would be for the county commission to levy a toll on each commercial truck that traverses a county road in and out of the TVA plant carrying any construction material or debris. This would be a use fee based on the damage inflicted to our roads and also an impact fee because the trucks are spreading dust and such.
  • Then there is always the no cost electric to our local utilities

Sincerly,
Brant Williams
Councilman
Kingston, TN

You make some great points

You make some great points Brant. I just don't like the vibe I get from Farmer when myself or other citizens get when he is asked about the spill. Why can Farmer not load Kilgore up in his car and take him to these peoples homes that the TVA won't talk to? I just want Farmer to bring to light what the TVA is not letting people know.

Randy Ellis
randyellis@gmail.com

Why?

Why continue to have hope in places that are hopeless?

Why continue to seek help where none is forthcoming?

At this point what local elected offical has done anything but kiss up to TVA by saying, "I believe TVA wants to do the right thing. Let's give them a chance.*"

If I heard that again from anyone I can vote for I am apt to spend myself into bankruptcy to see them lose their next election!

Please someone, anyone, name a single time when has TVA done the "right thing" by anyone it has harmed except by court order?

* they probably say this because the don't know what else to say.

Why?

My question is why is TVA so heartless? Why won't they do what is right? Why do they feel that it is best to purposely let people get sicker? What if they get sick enough to die? Will that warrant action by the president? Why can't the president do something now, before someone dies?
Why are they acting as if the citizens are the bad guys? Why will it take the media a probably someone to die to open the countrys eyes to what is really going on?

When you answer all these questions, you will see what a real threat an entitie is to the American way of life.

Corporations do not have hearts!

I firmly believe that local TVA employees are comitted to cleaning this up and are well intentioned, BUT ultimately they can only upon instructions and authorization of the TVA Board of Directors. If you take a look at the Board you will not find many humanitarians. They are charged with keeping TVA in the black, and unlike any corporate board in America, they are not liable for their actions. They can literally get away with anything. The President could intervene but he's got bigger fish to fry. We're not even a blip on his radar.

No fight with the Blue Coller Worker

I agree that the workers have to do what they are told or they are replaced. I;m sure many of us live under the same set of rules. I am confused at your statement that they are not liable for their actions. I am not saying that is not true. I do not know. I am saying that if it is true, we have seriuos issues in this country to deal with. Everyone should be held accountable for their actions.

If they are not, this is a good time in history to change that. Maybe between all of us we can figure a way out.

TVA is a hybrid corporation.

It is a non profit government entity in corporate clothes. The president of the U.S. nominates and congress confirms the board appointees who in turn select their own chairman, president, etc. As board members they are gov't employees. Holding a government employee liable is next to impossible. The best thing that could happen to TVA would be to make it into a public corporation like most utilities. FYI...this non profit made $386 million in 07and paid $48 million in bonuses. The nine members receive annual compensation from $45,000 to $149,000 plus expenses. Pretty good deal, huh?

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